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Should SEOs care about Real Time Social Search?
Monday, 08 February 2010 13:10


Are we there yet?

I thought we could spend a few moments looking at the value, potential and implications for the world of (real time and) social search. I prefer to think of them as;

  • Social search – using explicit elements (voting, annotating) in conjunction with standard search functionality.
  • Real Time Search – searching the fire-hose of the social world (Twitter, FaceBook, FriendFeed and so on)

But for the sake of this post, we’ll just go with RTSS (real time social search) to make things easier. While I personally believe there is a need for distinction, it would make things messy for this simple journey. For starters, a few examples….

Explicit data; Social Search

Google Social Search

The Fire-hose; Real time search

Real time search

While people tend to not make the distinction between social and real-time search, it is certainly important from an SEO standpoint, to do so. Now we have some associations in place, let’s look at the present state of affairs (from an IR standpoint).


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SEO myths and crap; the results are in!
Wednesday, 03 February 2010 17:46

Just for fun and because well, there are some many things that piss my off any given week, we ran a poll recently on the myths and crap out there. More tongue in cheek than meant as a serious study, it is fun to see what the SEO community feels about the whole thing.

Actually, we had more suggestions for myths to include (culled via Twitter) than we could fit in the poll. I shall certainly be putting a post together to wrap ‘em all up neatly for ye in the near future. For now, have some fun with the results (after 91 votes)

Which SEO myth/crap makes you laugh/scream the most?

  1. 18.7% Submitting to search engines
  2. 18.7% SEO is dead
  3. 14.3% Keyword density X%
  4. 13.2% PPC affects organic
  5. 11%  Get indexed in a 24hrs!
  6. 9.9%  U believe in ALL (aka smart ass)
  7. 8.8%  LSI and Google

And there were more…. See the full results here.

It was interesting to see the ever-lovin’ ‘Submitting to Search Engines’ right up there with ‘SEO is dead’… some premo crapola to be sure. I for one would have liked to see the ‘LSI’ garbage higher… but hey, I would be like that. This week’s poll is about testing…. We’re curious what SEOs want to see researched so we can start organizing which things to work on first.

Take the poll in the SEO Training Dojo ; What would you like to see tested/researched first? (right hand side)


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Link Building Gems from User Behavior Patterns
Monday, 01 February 2010 16:41

(the following is a guest post from Jennifer Van Iderstyne)

Depending on who you talk to, people are either highly predictable, or completely unpredictable.  Delving into the topic, will only get you entrenched in a centuries old debate of scientists, philosophers, religions and bar room drunks. No matter which side of the predictability of man argument you stand on, no one can deny the role of probability and predictability on internet marketing and the evolution of the web.

I mean after all, as we watch the growing predilection of search engines toward customized and personalized SERPS, what are those results based on if not, predictability? The tendency of internet users to be predictable in their likes dislikes and habits, is an internet marketer’s greatest weapon. We depend on those habits, we live and die with them, and when we are lucky we can be inspired by them.

I wish I was about to reveal some grand secret regarding the ability to predict behaviors but alas, I don’t have that information. In fact, if I did, I wouldn’t be sharing it. I’d be busy releasing the latest wave of sickly viral YouTube videos featuring veterans rapping about urban fashion and dancing bananas.

Instead, I want to share a story of an experience that really stuck with me. From a time when looking through a site’s back links led me to a discovery. A revelation which taught me about predicting what could work in the future, based on something that was already happening.

SEO and behavioural observations


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Last call for SEMMY voting
Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:48

Tomorrow is the last day for SEMMY voting... if you haven't already voted, may I submit these great SEO Training Dojo peeps that made the finals;


Lee's (Odden) is here; 5 Tips on Hiring and Getting the Most Value from SEO Consultants


Tom (Demers) is here; Discovering Keywords On the Cheap


Garrett (French) is here; 10 Goals For Link Building Campaigns: Moving Beyond “Get More Links”


Vertical Measures is here: Be Proactive With Your Reputation Management


And Mine is here; The SEO geeks guide to information retrieval


Congrats once more to ALL the Dojo Nominees and finalists... I am proud to have ye!

 
SEO being trademarked, AGAIN!?!
Thursday, 21 January 2010 14:56

Circle the wagons? Or 'Who gives a shit?'

SEO trademark guy part duex

One of my SEO Dojo peeps came to me this morning asking if I knew about the guy that was trying to Trademark the term; SEO. I said, “Sure, that Jason Gambert Guy right?” – Oh no… apparently he has some competition. One Clinton Cimring… huh, news to me…


Apparently he;

…was one of the first published search engine optimizers (SEOs) and search engine optimization consultants[1] and currently holds the only trademark on the term, S.E.O.


They go on to say;

…he has had a trademark pending on the term since 1996 and it seems to be between he and a Jason Gambert.


Aparently he is "well known in the search engine optimization[5] arena for introducing new techniques or approaches to search engine optimization such as SEO 2.0 and coining the terms, SEO 2.0, reverse seo, and buzz keywords" - Someon might want to tell Tad about that...


Sheesh …. Here we go again. For those of you that missed it last time, just do some Googlin’ for ‘Jason Gambert, SEO trademark’ and there was plenty of commentary last time out.

Almost the laughable part of this is that many of my cohorts have recently been somewhat embarrassed to be called an SEO because of all the crap hat and bad publicity it gets…. So hey, by the time either of these folks gets the tradement (highly unlikely) it won’t be worth shit… right? I jest…


Read more of the claims here (please nofollow any links to this guy m’kay peeps?)


Do the Math

My buddy Steve mused this from the page;

  • claims he joined the marines after 9/11 at 17
  • so - 2001 - 5 = 1996
  • 17- 5 = 12
  • so he was 12 years old when he invented SEO


Not the trademark you are looking for


UPDATE


Barry (over on Search Engine Land) found the Trademark filing which leads to the actual Docs from the filing. One of them, titled; Response to Office Action,(top one) has this... (damned funny IMO);


"We are attaching evidence of the distinctiveness of our mark. The company we acquired, The International Cimring Group, Inc., which shares the same board of directors as this company invested a considerable amount of money in branding the mark, S.E.O., and associating the mark with the company. It is reasonable to trace the first use and widespread acceptance of the acronym in question directly to the company vise-a-vie the attached sample proposal. (Our acronym stands for Strategically Elevating Optimization and not Search Engine Optimization. In 1997 the service known as search engine optimization  was called web site optimization among several other terms because the process of optimizing websites "offsite" did not yet exist because search engines like Google that look for ranking factors outside of the websites themselves did not exist. It is common knowledge that the first use of the term search engine optimization dates back to 1997 and all of the experts admit to not knowing how it came about but do admit that the acronym S.E.O. came about before the term search engine optimization. We can obtain affidavits from several experts if need be.)


The attachment is a sample proposal and invoice sent to a client. The scanned images are scanned from the original documents dating back to 1996-1997. We have retained originals as proof. The proposal shows considerable effort in drafting the terms by the company and attorneys. At the time the acronym in question was unheard of. Only after a year of the company sending out thousands of these proposals did the acronym gain nominal use by competitors. The company can further obtain affidavits from former employees as to the number of proposals that were sent out and the sales efforts expended in this effort."

Emphasis = mine


Whaaaat? As one friend said, "Is that even proper engish?". So it's 'Strategically Elevating Optimization' that they're after? So an SEO company wants to trademark SEO, but not that SEO... another one. Bwaaha ha ha ha ha... this just gets better all the time...First, they say it isn't actually 'search engine optimization' then go on to explain what the term (dating back to 1997) is somehow also NOT that... So did we screw up? Am I actually doing 'search elevation optimization' and didn't know it? Man, I am confused...time to call me shrink and make an appointment.

It is interesting that all of the attached docs as evidence (invoices, contracts) all say 'search engine optimization'... but he says that's not what SEO (his version) is.... sheesh... this is just loopy


In the second 'Reply to office Action" they state;


"Again, there are other synonymous terms like search engine placement, search engine marketing, internet marketing, internet optimization, internet placement, search engine results optimization, etc...

Until the term does become standardized, if it ever will, I have the right to trademark the term as our tagline Strategically Elevating Optimization, especially considering we have used it since before search engine optimization became a term. The only other person to register the term was Jason Gambert who we objected to as his first use dates back to 20070214, while our first use dates back to 1996 with my father's company, The International Cimring Group, Inc. a Florida profit corporation."


At least they aknowledge ol Jason and his kick at the can with this... Maybe the two of them can get oiled up and we can throw them into the ring together. Anyways, sound off in the comment peeps… is this just another false alarm? Or something we should be concerned with and fighting?

 
Google re-ranking and personalized search study
Monday, 18 January 2010 17:24


Once upon a time me and a few cohorts wondered about just what levels of flux there were in the Google SERPs. Has personalized search really changed the consistency of rankings? It’s an issue that has been spoken about many times in the search world. We set out to see what was up. After two rounds of research we noticed that this was unlikely to be the case. You can learn more in the post; The SEO guide to Google personalized search

It seemed only sensible, given Google’s Psearch expansion, to have another look. And so last December we started a third round. Has anything changed? How much flux is out there? Well, read on and find out what we’re seeing so far…

Google ranking flux and personalized seach study


Now, first things first; the goal wasn’t really to establish how personalized search operates. What we really wanted to know is how much movement is there in the SERPs for a given query type, in a given region (USA in this case). Yes we’re also noting some potential personalized search affects, but movement/flux was the core observation.

We must understand that even though there is some interesting data here, it is by no means a large enough sample to get nitty gritty with IMHO. It is also important to remember this is a specific task from a quasi-transactional query session (task development).

We want to go back and do more from an informational query space and one more suited to respondents (familiar, such as ‘learn SEO’ etc..). This approach, last time out, did show more movement than we saw with this space (we’ve done this round 2x now). 

As always, no magic bullets here… Just more links in the chain (pun intended of course).


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